Curse

/fluff · Jul 18, 2011, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Okay, i got told that someone's flaming my guild on guru.

After reading it, i have one thingy for u:
The guild's called [Boo], not [boo], ty.

vinoth · Jul 18, 2011, 04:15 PM // 16:15

On a general note:

The players who care about flaming back are rubbish. Yes, these characters are found in both high end and low end guilds. In most high end guilds there are 2 or 3 very good players that carry the rest. The rest actually think they are the shit.

The players that are good tend not to be very vocal on all chat, cant care to respond to flames. Many cant care about high end gvg.

This is a rule and not the exception.

chullster · Jul 18, 2011, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Thank you both from [boo] for contributing, I am now not on the PC with the original pictures so can't check how they spelt the tag, but the golds trims were there. The ding-dong in the pictures was about a week or so ago, the round with the monk who said there were no leechers, a few days later.

At the time I thought they were like the fifty or so [cake] members I've seen in the past month, just leechers who have too much in-game money.

I'm glad these guys turn out to be just that.

@Karla I think I remember playing with you today (Monday 18th) on your monk, we won each time, and you left at the end each time, so I guess you stick to your opinion of Rits and assume they won't get you 25 wins.

I can assure you first hand that that isn't the case, and have a few screenies from monks appreciating some help from my rit (I don't bring any heals on him). I'll look out for you again and hope to show you I can help get us wins when I play Rit.

I'm not a Rit or any profession fanboy, I just believe in a random 4 vs 4 fight, any of them can do well.

So I'm back to the original consensus; actual gold-trim winners don't need to sync RA, the ones seen are just leeching the cape.

urania · Jul 18, 2011, 09:58 PM // 21:58

My point isnt you cannot make 25 wins with a rit. What I was going at was that having another heal class with you (as for solo restoration rits, those make 25 jut as rarely as dual heal classes) will not work in most of the cases (of course, there are exceptions to this rule of thumb too, but let's not go into that now).
spirit strength rt/p or rt/a as well as channeling rits often work just fine in certain setups.

superraptors · Jul 18, 2011, 10:20 PM // 22:20

you better pray to god the other 2 classes can land some kills because teams without healers can still dominate a team with 2 healers.

best carry profession is ranger in ra, deb spam, spread poison and shut down woh or healing burst then control sigs and you are all good.

urania · Jul 19, 2011, 07:54 AM // 07:54

and a ff necro with wail.

Sankt Hallvard · Jul 19, 2011, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by superraptors

best carry profession is ranger in ra, deb spam, spread poison and shut down woh or healing burst then control sigs and you are all good.

Not quite. Ranger brings too little to the table, a little poison perhaps but easily countered by vig spirit which all monks run anyway. Yes, you can dshot res sigs but that means that you score kills which you won't. Roll a dervish, they don't need to hit with every rupt, spread poison, dshot woh every match and have rez control. I just played ra against derv, curses, rit, monk and we blew up before our rangers poison had even reduced them to 95%.

tldr: Rangers suck, dervishes rule.

/fluff · Jul 19, 2011, 04:43 PM // 16:43

^what the..

having a good ranger in your team is one of the best things that can happen to u in ra

Missing HB · Jul 19, 2011, 04:47 PM // 16:47

It still depends on the context... They were talking about 2 heal parties, so except if the last is a dervish and you keep facing no monk teams, sure you win....

But generally yes, ranger is quite good but coz of easy rez control... However,i don't believe they thought how unfair is rez rupting against no monk teams.... It surely is a must when the fight is fair ( i.e TA fight for example) but when not.... it's more likely try to rez while rest of the team is killing you....pointless...

urania · Jul 19, 2011, 05:46 PM // 17:46

good ranger and warrior>RA.

steel singer · Jul 19, 2011, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Sure a GOOD ranger is great to have in RA. But there are probably only 50 people in all of guildwars that can play a ranger GOOD enough in RA to be more use than a random dervish.

urania · Jul 19, 2011, 10:53 PM // 22:53

50? that's highly optimistic.

Fate Crusher · Jul 20, 2011, 02:22 AM // 02:22

Marco is probably the only good ranger/player I know who still actually plays RA/for lols, but not as ranger :P

Steel was more pointing out how faceroll dervishes are just as gamechanging as average rangers... In RA.

Sankt Hallvard · Jul 20, 2011, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Congratulations to steel who first got my point, although "50 good rangers" is probably too optimistic like karla said. And I would actually call many of these ra rangers "good" or "decent" which is an even more ambiguous term, but they are still not bringing enough ooompf to the table to compete with a derv. In order to warrant running a ranger you need to play insanely well, you can't afford letting a single fd or dive get through or your monk will blow up. This while you probably also have to dshot woh for your lackluster team to be able to kill a team with a monk. Then also probably guardian, bflash, mind blast, meteor, stoning, falling, esurge, meteor shower...

I bet most of you who hail this "good ranger" already assume there is a competent monk and warrior(hammer I guess, or maybe a derv just to be sure?) on the team. The ranger doesn't have to CARRY this team, anyone else ending up on this team is already close to BEING CARRIED. It's like saying adding a ranger and a curses nec to this team would make it "one of the best things to happen to u in ra". Well duh.

superraptors · Jul 20, 2011, 08:48 AM // 08:48

dont need to play insanely well to be a good ranger, about half a dozen key skills that usually kill bad monks or stop you from getting kills are easily interruptible even with 300-400 ping.

rangers do carry teams, however most people who play it have no idea how to spread poison and just camp 1 target.

any monk who has a brain will bring veil, veil + ranger = steam roll hexes rest of your dps class doesn't matter as long as they can button mash.

shutting down sigs is probably the 2nd most important thing to not dieing.

Killed u man · Jul 20, 2011, 02:09 PM // 14:09

So now were discussing how to play Ranger?

RA is all about getting the least amount of idiots with the most amount of gimmick bars in your team.

RA in a nutshell. You can only truly carry on a Monk, because afaik there isn't a single bar out there that can solo a Monk AND withstant 3 people bashing on him.

As a Monk you have the most leverage in your team, as you can keep keep people up sometimes indefinatly (And even the average PvE-team -Read: completely clueless- should score a kill after 6-8 minutes) or just let them die when you feel it's not going to work out.

Playing a Ranger, Derv or any other profession would already mean you'dd need to have some kind of support to stay alive AND score kills, as Rangers aren't particularly good at anything. So I'll have to disagree saying Rangers are "the best RA" option, as Rangers work best in organised teams. The damage is almost non-existant -compared to actual pressure bars-, the defence is reliant on you interrupting offensive spells, which already would assume they're running interruptable ones. (So Rangers are terrible against any kind of frontline class)
Shutdown-wise Rangers can hold there own, and that's mostly the reason why people take them, but you should ask yourself: "Couldn't a mesmer do the same and more?" and I think with the current meta I would have to say: "Yes".

Running a powerblock mesmer with Diversion (Which does wonders on frontline characters such as Sins or dervs) and maybe even Backfire for Dervishes, who oftentimes don't even realize their flash enchants trigger it, would just bring so more to the table than a Ranger.

urania · Jul 20, 2011, 04:31 PM // 16:31

pblock is prolly one of the most useless elites ever in RA.
ranger almost always beats a mesmer (though it does matter what kind of setup they are part of), if for nothing else, for poison spread, e denial (deb shot) and (optional) snare.

Sankt Hallvard · Jul 20, 2011, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by urania

pblock is prolly one of the most useless elites ever in RA.
ranger almost always beats a mesmer (though it does matter what kind of setup they are part of), if for nothing else, for poison spread, e denial (deb shot) and (optional) snare.

What kind of ra do you play where rangers use snares and his teammates can take advantage of it? Where poison spread is not easily countered by vig and where matches last so long that e-denial matters? Can't remember the last time I saw a ranger with deb shot either.

Mesmer is just better. A bad player will get much better results with a mesmer than a ranger and this also holds true for a good player. Would you rather dshot or dive woh? Which is better dps: poison or empathy? What is better disable: deb shot or fevered dreams?

9 out of 10 matches are decided in the first 30 seconds.

urania · Jul 20, 2011, 08:08 PM // 20:08

i cant remember the last time i even had a ranger, let alone a proper one. it seems that atm its either eles on eles or dervs on dervs (and cross combinations of both) action.
that still doesn't change the fact that they're one of the best things that can happen to you, as long as damage and heal are covered.

Dirame · Jul 20, 2011, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by chullster

Thank you both from [boo] for contributing, I am now not on the PC with the original pictures so can't check how they spelt the tag, but the golds trims were there. The ding-dong in the pictures was about a week or so ago, the round with the monk who said there were no leechers, a few days later.

At the time I thought they were like the fifty or so [cake] members I've seen in the past month, just leechers who have too much in-game money.

I'm glad these guys turn out to be just that.

@Karla I think I remember playing with you today (Monday 18th) on your monk, we won each time, and you left at the end each time, so I guess you stick to your opinion of Rits and assume they won't get you 25 wins.

I can assure you first hand that that isn't the case, and have a few screenies from monks appreciating some help from my rit (I don't bring any heals on him). I'll look out for you again and hope to show you I can help get us wins when I play Rit.

I'm not a Rit or any profession fanboy, I just believe in a random 4 vs 4 fight, any of them can do well.

So I'm back to the original consensus; actual gold-trim winners don't need to sync RA, the ones seen are just leeching the cape.

You and I, we have the same ideals about RA and I do hate the people who tell me to resign when they don't get a monk. I just find it hilarious. They even want you to resign before they even see the other team, even more hilarious. "Resign saves time" my bloody arse. If you don't want to play, don't hit "Enter" is what I always say.

Quote:

Originally Posted by urania

i cant remember the last time i even had a ranger, let alone a proper one. it seems that atm its either eles on eles or dervs on dervs (and cross combinations of both) action.
that still doesn't change the fact that they're one of the best things that can happen to you, as long as damage and heal are covered.

Mesmers, Dervishes and Elementalists.

Bsurge, Esurge, Bflash, Grenth and Balthazar. Every. Single. Time.